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welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic Zone podcast

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episode number

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763 for the 21st of May 2023 Richard

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near Berkeley California and I'll talk a

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little bit more about Berkeley at the

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end of the show

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coming up on this week's show we're

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going to kick off with Adrian Hill

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oddly enough Adrian Hill is in every

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segment of this week's show well it's

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not odd at all she does a lot of hard

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work but she's going to start the show

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with part two of her look at UFOs on

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Wikipedia part one some weeks ago was

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looking at the first half of the 20th

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century when it came to UFO reports this

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the 20th century well some of the

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following that Adrian returns with the

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Australian Skeptics newsletter plus the

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Canadian word of the week

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listen for that then to round off the

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and I look at the Ogo Pogo lake monster

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because now it's time for me to run

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downstairs and have some more lovely

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and avocado on toast hmm well I do that

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I hope you enjoy the skeptic Zone

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you can count on Adrian

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everyone this is Adrian Hill from Canada

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and this is part 7 of my series of

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reports looking at Wiki projects on

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Wikipedia

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French farmer Maurice Massey witnessed a

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he noticed and approached two

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individuals that he observed near the

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vehicle but after one pointed a tube in

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his Direction he stood still feeling

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he described the beings as child-sized

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pale large-headed with only holes where

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a mouth should be Massey said that after

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again able to grow a healthy plant in

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the area where the craft had landed he

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did not personally comment on the effect

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this had on him saying quote one always

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says too much end quote his wife

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exhaustion for months that he had

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her and that it was a quote spiritual

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Kecksburg Pennsylvania

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a fireball observed in the Skies over

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they found an acorn shaped object in the

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woods the U.S military closed off the

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area to investigate and reported no

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Grange reserve for horses liftoff and

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friends a 13 year old boy and his

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younger sister reported an incident to

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their father local police and

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investigators according to the police

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reports they witnessed a brilliant

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sphere and four small black occupants

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while herding cattle outside their

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in Nova Scotia Canada

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a large illuminated object was reported

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to have crashed into Waters near shag

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Harbor a Canadian Naval search followed

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and officially referred to the object as

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a UFO and there were other UFO sightings

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president

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unidentified flying object while at

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sighting Finland

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7. disc shaped objects hovering

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information around 1500 to 3000 meters

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were spotted by the air traffic

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controller and two pilots

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when fighter pilot tarmo tukva

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Massachusetts four unrelated families

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alleged being abducted by a UFO that

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moved by ray of light

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and there you have it some of the many

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UFO sightings for the second half of the

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20th century as listed on Wikipedia in

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the coming weeks I'll look at the rest

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of the sightings for the 20th century

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starting in the 1970s a huge decade for

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the center for inquiry invites you to

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attend past the torch a series of live

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seminars geared towards developing

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leadership skills and skeptic and

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secular groups across the world join

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this Wednesday May 31st at 7 pm Eastern

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Time

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that's USA day and time

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for the latest edition a toolkit for

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communicating with Believers featuring

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Richard Saunders Kenny Biddle and myself

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Susan gerbeck

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to browse our backlog of other topics

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please visit the group resources page at

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Center for

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inquiry.org or visit the YouTube channel

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for Center for inquiry

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thank you

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hello everyone this is Adrian Hill from

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Skookum studios here in Calgary at least

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that's what Richard likes to call it

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here to read the highlights from the

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Australian Skeptics newsletter

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this is newsletter number

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173. you can subscribe to this

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newsletter and get it delivered to your

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inbox every other week complete with

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links to all the stories just visit

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www.skeptics.com.au

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but now let's see what Tim Mendham has

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I all says Tim for those of us in the

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southern hemisphere which doesn't

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include me that's the bit at the outside

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near the wall of ice before you fall off

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the edge we are heading into winter

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while you in the middle are apparently

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getting warmer eventually but we can all

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get together to see what the world of Wu

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is talking about

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some of it is dire some of it is

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disturbing but there are always those

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whose earnestness brings a cheer to our

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lives and a tear to our eyes

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we don't just mean the Royal Family

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read on Tim

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okay Tim I'll do just that

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[Music]

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cult participants ignored dying man

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this is a very sad story of a man at a

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northern New South Wales cultish event

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who died due to Cambo frog poisoning

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while those around continued with their

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shamanic rituals Clairvoyance auras

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astral traveling detoxing and

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psychedelics

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and another current Court case involving

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Cambo treatment also in Northern New

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South Wales where the victim was not

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told of the risks even though she had

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been trained as a Campbell practitioner

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is melatonin safe as a sleeping aid

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melatonin is supposedly able to help you

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get to sleep faster if not actually give

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you a better longer sleep

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but a new report in the Journal of the

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American Medical Association shows that

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inaccurate labeling of the

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over-the-counter melatonin products

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makes accidental overdoses more likely

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and kids due to their size are at

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magistrates witness a sharp rise in

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Sovereign citizen cases Sovereign

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citizens are becoming an increasing

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burden on the Australian courts says a

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New South Wales magistrate they often

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question the authority of the government

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tax system and legal system and they are

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usually self-represented litigants

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magistrate Mark Douglas says that about

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50 percent of the legal complaints to

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the New South Wales judicial commission

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are filed by self-represented people in

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the last six months judicial complaints

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have increased between 20 to 30 percent

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and a lot of those are filed by

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Sovereign citizens contesting legal

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matters quote they use a lot of law from

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America there's quotes from The Bible

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there's the Magna Carta the Petition of

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Right 1627 and these are all documents

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that are filed with the court even in

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criminal matters end quote

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and yes this is also a problem in Canada

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according to the CBC or the Canadian

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Broadcasting Corporation news there was

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an Ottawa court appearance for a man who

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was one of the truckers in the blockades

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who said that his lawyer was God so yes

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cell phones and brain cancer

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is cell phone use causing brain cancer

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still a thing the author of this article

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says it isn't and we have science on our

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side quote but still the myth endures

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end quote

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latest tick tock on Barbara O'Neill

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the band naturopath on a U.S Tick Tock

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session discusses how she was hard done

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by simply for passing on shonky

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information and suggesting dangerous

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treatments but apparently she was only

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following God's instructions

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and Richard Saunders tells me that

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Skeptics have noticed a flood of videos

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from Barbara O'Neill online with advice

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ranging from the bizarre to the

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ridiculous

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why falling beer glasses might not be

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proof of the Paranormal

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reports of glasses of beer falling

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sliding or being pushed off a table are

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pretty common in the Paranormal world

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especially in Pub CCTV setups however

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while the supernatural explanation may

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be thrilling there are other more

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rational explanations for this

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update skepticon 2023 call for papers

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the Victorian Skeptics organizers of

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this year's Australian Skeptics National

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annual convention or skepticon have put

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out a call for papers skepticon 2023

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will be held at the brain Center

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Melbourne University on December 2nd

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through 3rd

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full details are gradually being rolled

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out on the skepticon website

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[Music]

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and we are looking forward to the next

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issue of the skeptic the magazine from

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items of of Interest

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tips for dressing for ghost hunting

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we've often wondered why Ghost Hunters

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wear black or camouflage patterned

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outfits when they're out looking for

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ghosts do they think the spirits won't

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see them if they blend in with the

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Shadows at night in a darkened room

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and the advice here on what to wear or

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not wear and a suggestion to bring a

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change of clothes because you might get

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muddy of course not because you might

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get really scared

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[Music]

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travel tip

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the best U.S cities for Paranormal

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Activity

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lawn love a lawn care service compared

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the 200 biggest U.S cities based on four

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categories paranormal sightings Bigfoot

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sightings haunted sites and paranormal

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conventions and events they've sliced

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and diced the stats in many different

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ways but in case you're looking go to

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Los Angeles for best overall results

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and avoid West Valley City in Utah and

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Sioux Falls in South Dakota since they

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are the lowest of the 200 cities named

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no idea why a lawn care company would

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want to do the survey maybe some

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publicity

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but they do suggest that if it looks

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like quote Bigfoot has trampled all over

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your yard you can do worse than hire a

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local law and love Pro to add fresh

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Spirit to your Lawn and Landscape end

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quote

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psychic warns against having dead

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[Music]

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Ben and expert psychic reveals that dead

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plants broken clocks and old brooms may

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be bringing bad luck to our homes

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according to feng shui and quote because

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of what they symbolize and really mean

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end quote

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apparently lilac plants are the worst as

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well as cacti quote the only time it is

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considered acceptable to keep cacti in

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the house is if you keep them on the

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windowsill at the front of the house to

562
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symbolically deter Intruders end quote

563
00:28:46,490 --> 00:28:44,220
the old brooms were probably left by

564
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:46,500
witches who have moved on to the latest

565
00:29:00,769 --> 00:28:56,950
silly video of the week

566
00:29:02,450 --> 00:29:00,779
reports of Mothership UFO in Washington

567
00:29:05,690 --> 00:29:02,460
State

568
00:29:07,850 --> 00:29:05,700
in this video a woman shooting through a

569
00:29:10,909 --> 00:29:07,860
tree for some reason is very concerned

570
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,919
about the giant bulbous rocket ship that

571
00:29:15,769 --> 00:29:12,720
appears to be hovering in the golden

572
00:29:17,870 --> 00:29:15,779
hour Sky quote the object is enormous

573
00:29:20,090 --> 00:29:17,880
fat and appears to have fins coming out

574
00:29:22,909 --> 00:29:20,100
of the bottom of it end quote

575
00:29:25,549 --> 00:29:22,919
in fact it's exactly how a hot air

576
00:29:28,730 --> 00:29:25,559
balloon shaped like a rocket ship might

577
00:29:34,610 --> 00:29:28,740
look I'm guessing these aliens are

578
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:36,830
story of the week

579
00:29:44,269 --> 00:29:40,559
singer gets divorced from Ghost

580
00:29:46,430 --> 00:29:44,279
a musician who quote left fans stunned

581
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:46,440
end quote when she controversially

582
00:29:51,529 --> 00:29:49,440
married a ghost has now realized the

583
00:29:54,289 --> 00:29:51,539
error of her ways and ended the

584
00:29:57,049 --> 00:29:54,299
relationship quote being married to

585
00:30:00,049 --> 00:29:57,059
Eduardo felt heavy like I was constantly

586
00:30:01,909 --> 00:30:00,059
dragging a dead body up a hill the

587
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:01,919
energy of being married to him was

588
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:04,320
overwhelming at times it broke my spirit

589
00:30:09,529 --> 00:30:07,440
and now I feel lighter I underestimated

590
00:30:11,389 --> 00:30:09,539
how powerful his presence was going to

591
00:30:14,090 --> 00:30:11,399
be and I feel like I approached the

592
00:30:17,149 --> 00:30:14,100
wedding with hope and naivety end quote

593
00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:17,159
but why would she reveal such traumatic

594
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:22,020
experiences oh yes her new single just

595
00:30:29,630 --> 00:30:25,200
another Anthem is out now

596
00:30:34,490 --> 00:30:32,570
well that's everything from the news

597
00:30:36,889 --> 00:30:34,500
now you may have noticed that Richard

598
00:30:40,370 --> 00:30:36,899
and I have been using the word Skookum

599
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:40,380
when Richard was visiting Canada and we

600
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:42,960
were out and about or oot in a boot

601
00:30:49,010 --> 00:30:46,320
hiking in bounce National Park my

602
00:30:51,250 --> 00:30:49,020
husband Greg used the word Skookum and

603
00:30:53,330 --> 00:30:51,260
Richard did a double take

604
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:53,340
Skookum he asked

605
00:30:58,510 --> 00:30:55,679
according to Merriam-Webster the word

606
00:31:02,269 --> 00:30:58,520
Skookum which is spelled

607
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:02,279
s-k-o-o-k-u-m means quote marked by

608
00:31:08,330 --> 00:31:05,039
strength or power end quote and quote

609
00:31:11,389 --> 00:31:08,340
marked by excellent quality end quote

610
00:31:14,330 --> 00:31:11,399
this word is not used across most of

611
00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:14,340
Canada but is used in British Columbia

612
00:31:20,510 --> 00:31:17,700
it is also used in Oregon Washington and

613
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:20,520
Alaska in the United States and I live

614
00:31:26,330 --> 00:31:23,279
in Alberta you say but ha I grew up in

615
00:31:29,090 --> 00:31:26,340
BC and that's probably where I acquired

616
00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:29,100
the word the word has its origins in

617
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,740
Chinook jargon which is a language that

618
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:33,840
has its roots in trading with indigenous

619
00:31:38,690 --> 00:31:36,240
peoples in the Pacific Northwest

620
00:31:42,590 --> 00:31:38,700
in Richard's skeptic Zone promotion that

621
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:42,600
was posted on Facebook on May 4th in the

622
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:44,399
Easter egg I described the waterfall

623
00:31:49,310 --> 00:31:47,039
that we had just hiked to as a Skookum

624
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:49,320
waterfall then declared it wasn't a

625
00:31:56,210 --> 00:31:54,000
great example however the AI chat GPT

626
00:31:58,610 --> 00:31:56,220
disagrees

627
00:32:02,269 --> 00:31:58,620
I asked it to use Skookum in a sentence

628
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:02,279
and it said sure quote the hiker admired

629
00:32:07,330 --> 00:32:05,039
the Skookum waterfall as it cascaded

630
00:32:11,510 --> 00:32:07,340
down the Mountainside end quote

631
00:32:15,889 --> 00:32:11,520
coincidence or psychic ability maybe

632
00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:15,899
chat DPT is a Skookum Seer and with that

633
00:32:21,340 --> 00:32:19,320
thought I will leave you for now

634
00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:21,350
thank you

635
00:32:37,010 --> 00:32:35,029
Science Festival brings latest Aussie

636
00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:37,020
research to local pubs across the

637
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:38,100
country

638
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:40,500
the point of science Australia Festival

639
00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:43,919
is returning for its ninth year bringing

640
00:32:48,649 --> 00:32:46,200
together scientists and researchers from

641
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:48,659
all over the country to share their

642
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:51,360
latest discoveries in a casual and

643
00:32:58,730 --> 00:32:54,240
relaxed setting local pubs

644
00:33:01,730 --> 00:32:58,740
from May 22nd to May 24th 2023 the

645
00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:01,740
International Festival will showcase the

646
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,200
latest breakthroughs and Innovations in

647
00:33:07,970 --> 00:33:06,960
areas such as health technology and the

648
00:33:10,370 --> 00:33:07,980
environment

649
00:33:12,769 --> 00:33:10,380
attendees can enjoy a point of their

650
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:12,779
favorite beverage while listening to

651
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:15,120
fascinating talks about fantastic

652
00:33:18,529 --> 00:33:16,559
fallacies

653
00:33:22,130 --> 00:33:18,539
battling bees

654
00:33:25,009 --> 00:33:22,140
and the future of AI among other curious

655
00:33:27,769 --> 00:33:25,019
topics this year the point of science

656
00:33:31,850 --> 00:33:27,779
Australia Festival will take place in 30

657
00:33:34,610 --> 00:33:31,860
pubs across 15 cities that would be a

658
00:33:36,769 --> 00:33:34,620
hell of a pub crawl over three evenings

659
00:33:39,950 --> 00:33:36,779
attendees can learn from experts in

660
00:33:42,409 --> 00:33:39,960
various Fields ask questions in an

661
00:33:44,509 --> 00:33:42,419
interactive environment and gain a

662
00:33:47,090 --> 00:33:44,519
better understanding of the role science

663
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:47,100
plays in our everyday lives

664
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:50,580
pint of science Australia co-ceo Maria

665
00:33:55,730 --> 00:33:53,100
reutman said we are excited to bring

666
00:33:58,850 --> 00:33:55,740
insights from all corners of Australian

667
00:34:01,789 --> 00:33:58,860
research to share with the public in a

668
00:34:05,330 --> 00:34:01,799
fun and engaging way Making Science

669
00:34:10,609 --> 00:34:05,340
accessible for everyone point of science

670
00:34:13,790 --> 00:34:10,619
Australia co-ceo jinho Choi said we

671
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:13,800
encourage everyone to attend even if

672
00:34:19,129 --> 00:34:16,560
science is not your thing it's a great

673
00:34:22,490 --> 00:34:19,139
opportunity to learn something new and

674
00:34:24,649 --> 00:34:22,500
meet other inquisitive Minds tickets for

675
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:24,659
the point of science Australia 2023

676
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:27,599
Festival are on sale for eight dollars

677
00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:29,599
for more information about the festival

678
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:32,520
including participating pubs and

679
00:34:37,790 --> 00:34:35,280
speakers please visit the pint of

680
00:34:39,550 --> 00:34:37,800
science Australia website

681
00:34:48,410 --> 00:34:39,560
kind of

682
00:34:58,370 --> 00:34:51,230
[Music]

683
00:35:03,050 --> 00:35:00,410
yeah

684
00:35:05,329 --> 00:35:03,060
now it's time once again to dive

685
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:05,339
literally dive into the Waters of Trove

686
00:35:08,990 --> 00:35:06,800
at

687
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,000
trove.nla.gov.eu not literally of course

688
00:35:15,770 --> 00:35:12,000
figuratively because we are diving this

689
00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:15,780
week we are diving into the waters in

690
00:35:23,089 --> 00:35:18,670
Canada on the search for Ogopogo

691
00:35:25,310 --> 00:35:23,099
[Music]

692
00:35:27,290 --> 00:35:25,320
the Trove and other places because this

693
00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:27,300
week's special guest in the Trove

694
00:35:31,550 --> 00:35:29,220
segment will be Adrian Hill who will be

695
00:35:33,250 --> 00:35:31,560
reading from a Canadian newspaper the

696
00:35:35,329 --> 00:35:33,260
pages at Trove at

697
00:35:36,589 --> 00:35:35,339
trove.nla.gov dot a u of course the

698
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:36,599
online resource from the Australian

699
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:37,920
government and the National Library of

700
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,079
Australia of digitized Australian

701
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,480
newspapers and magazines

702
00:35:47,390 --> 00:35:45,119
and yes we're going to be seeing what

703
00:35:49,609 --> 00:35:47,400
made its way all the way to Australia

704
00:35:52,730 --> 00:35:49,619
from Canada when it came to the

705
00:35:54,770 --> 00:35:52,740
particular monster Pogo Pogo

706
00:35:59,150 --> 00:35:54,780
now according to the entry at wiki

707
00:36:01,609 --> 00:35:59,160
Wikipedia Pogo in Canadian folklore the

708
00:36:04,010 --> 00:36:01,619
Ogo Pogo is a lake monster said to

709
00:36:06,650 --> 00:36:04,020
inhabit Okinawan Lake in British

710
00:36:09,170 --> 00:36:06,660
Columbia Canada some Scholars have

711
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:09,180
chartered the entities development from

712
00:36:15,710 --> 00:36:12,180
First Nations folklore and widespread

713
00:36:17,810 --> 00:36:15,720
water monster folklore motifs the Yogo

714
00:36:20,690 --> 00:36:17,820
Pogo now plays a role in the commercial

715
00:36:24,349 --> 00:36:20,700
symbolism and media representation of

716
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:24,359
the region I think a lot of people get a

717
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:27,599
lot of enjoyment and fun about having a

718
00:36:33,170 --> 00:36:30,720
lake monster nearby okonawan lake is the

719
00:36:36,589 --> 00:36:33,180
largest of five interconnected

720
00:36:38,170 --> 00:36:36,599
freshwater Fjord Lakes of the Okinawan

721
00:36:40,910 --> 00:36:38,180
Valley in British Columbia

722
00:36:43,010 --> 00:36:40,920
goes on to say the lake monster has been

723
00:36:47,210 --> 00:36:43,020
mostly described as being a serpentine

724
00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:47,220
creature with smooth dark skin with a

725
00:36:52,430 --> 00:36:49,260
large body thicker than a telephone pole

726
00:36:54,829 --> 00:36:52,440
and being up to 50 feet in length the

727
00:36:58,510 --> 00:36:54,839
monster has said to move at incredible

728
00:37:02,210 --> 00:36:58,520
speeds coiling its body in vertical

729
00:37:04,490 --> 00:37:02,220
undulations and propelling itself with a

730
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:04,500
powerful tail and of course this page

731
00:37:10,609 --> 00:37:07,520
goes on at length about various

732
00:37:12,349 --> 00:37:10,619
sightings over the years

733
00:37:15,170 --> 00:37:12,359
and indeed at the end we have

734
00:37:16,250 --> 00:37:15,180
explanations and it mentions my good

735
00:37:18,770 --> 00:37:16,260
friend

736
00:37:20,930 --> 00:37:18,780
Benjamin Radford according to skeptical

737
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:20,940
author Benjamin Radford contemporary

738
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:23,359
sightings of Ogopogo were most likely

739
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:26,160
misidentifications of waterfowl otter or

740
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:29,280
Beaver adding quote the First Nations

741
00:37:34,430 --> 00:37:31,920
stories are not referring to a literal

742
00:37:37,630 --> 00:37:34,440
lake monster like Coco Pogo but instead

743
00:37:40,010 --> 00:37:37,640
to a legendary water spirit

744
00:37:43,490 --> 00:37:40,020
and of course we should always pay

745
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,500
careful attention to uh to the research

746
00:37:48,530 --> 00:37:44,960
of Ben Radford

747
00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:48,540
but now let's look through the pages in

748
00:37:56,569 --> 00:37:50,760
Australian newspapers and Canadian

749
00:37:56,579 --> 00:38:00,970
thank you

750
00:38:09,950 --> 00:38:04,870
now before I get on to the reading for

751
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:09,960
what I found in Canadian archives I just

752
00:38:16,190 --> 00:38:12,960
want to talk a little bit about the yoga

753
00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:16,200
Pogo as I was growing up every summer as

754
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:17,940
I was growing up I would go and visit my

755
00:38:22,970 --> 00:38:20,160
grandparents in Penticton and my

756
00:38:26,450 --> 00:38:22,980
grandfather had a boat on Lake Okanagan

757
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:26,460
and I was well aware of the lore of the

758
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:28,800
Ogopogo and I remember even though my

759
00:38:33,770 --> 00:38:31,200
grandfather said ah it's nothing there's

760
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,780
no such thing I remember watching

761
00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:35,760
intently whenever I would go out on the

762
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:37,380
boat or whenever we would be out on the

763
00:38:42,770 --> 00:38:39,839
beach playing building sand castles Etc

764
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:42,780
I would always be on the watch for that

765
00:38:47,210 --> 00:38:45,119
late monster never saw it

766
00:38:49,790 --> 00:38:47,220
disappointingly I was really hoping to

767
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,800
be the one the first article that I'm

768
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,359
going to read to you is from the

769
00:38:55,089 --> 00:38:53,280
Vancouver Province or the province

770
00:38:59,530 --> 00:38:55,099
newspaper from British Columbia Canada

771
00:39:04,310 --> 00:38:59,540
and it was written in 1953 on August

772
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,320
25th by Mabel Johnson and she's a Vernon

773
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,480
correspondent and Vernon is a city

774
00:39:13,130 --> 00:39:08,640
that's very close to like Copenhagen

775
00:39:18,010 --> 00:39:13,140
and the article is called how Ogopogo

776
00:39:22,510 --> 00:39:18,020
was born his father was a whale

777
00:39:28,329 --> 00:39:25,670
not too much is known as to what use

778
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:28,339
will be made of the copyright held by

779
00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:32,400
cjib radio station manager AJ Seabrook

780
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:36,300
on Ogopogo the mythical late monster

781
00:39:41,329 --> 00:39:38,880
however I felt by the copyright that

782
00:39:43,790 --> 00:39:41,339
Ogopogo could belong to the Okanagan

783
00:39:46,190 --> 00:39:43,800
Valley as a whole and could be shared

784
00:39:49,010 --> 00:39:46,200
equally by the cities of Vernon Kelowna

785
00:39:52,970 --> 00:39:49,020
and Penticton and not made a commercial

786
00:39:54,530 --> 00:39:52,980
Venture Mr Seabrook says many persons

787
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:54,540
have wondered who christened the lake

788
00:39:59,290 --> 00:39:57,359
monster OKO Pogo the answer seems to

789
00:40:02,030 --> 00:39:59,300
have been given by the late wh

790
00:40:04,250 --> 00:40:02,040
brimblecomb of Vernon who wrote in the

791
00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:04,260
fourth annual report of the Okanagan

792
00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:05,880
Historical Society

793
00:40:11,450 --> 00:40:08,760
according to Mr brimblecomb after World

794
00:40:14,329 --> 00:40:11,460
War One there was invernon an

795
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:14,339
organization of amateurs who under the

796
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:17,640
title of the kalamalka players gave many

797
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:19,680
entertainments and raised thousands of

798
00:40:24,349 --> 00:40:22,079
dollars for charitable projects and Mr

799
00:40:26,990 --> 00:40:24,359
brimblecomb was one of them

800
00:40:30,290 --> 00:40:27,000
in one of the Folly performances Mr

801
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:30,300
brimblecomb sang the OKO Pogo song which

802
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:33,119
was originally created by Davey Burnaby

803
00:40:38,510 --> 00:40:36,000
of the co-optimists who after World War

804
00:40:42,650 --> 00:40:38,520
One captivated England

805
00:40:44,210 --> 00:40:42,660
one summer day in 1912 August 13th a

806
00:40:46,490 --> 00:40:44,220
luncheon for the Vancouver Board of

807
00:40:49,069 --> 00:40:46,500
Trade was given at the kalamalka hotel

808
00:40:50,810 --> 00:40:49,079
in Vernon by the Vernon Rotary Club and

809
00:40:53,329 --> 00:40:50,820
Vernon Board of Trade

810
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,339
Mr brimblecom sang during the

811
00:40:57,530 --> 00:40:55,200
entertainment period and chose the

812
00:40:59,690 --> 00:40:57,540
Ogopogo song because there was then

813
00:41:03,170 --> 00:40:59,700
considerable talk about the mysterious

814
00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:03,180
Denizen of Okanagan Lake so Keen was the

815
00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:05,640
interest in the monster that the late HF

816
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:08,040
Beatty Secretary of the Board of Trade

817
00:41:14,089 --> 00:41:10,680
and of the kalamaco players wrote a

818
00:41:16,910 --> 00:41:14,099
parody at the luncheon the name and tune

819
00:41:19,609 --> 00:41:16,920
caught on and guests left the kalamalka

820
00:41:22,370 --> 00:41:19,619
hotel to spread the fame of the okapogo

821
00:41:24,770 --> 00:41:22,380
far and wide the chorus of Davey

822
00:41:28,730 --> 00:41:24,780
burnaby's co-optimist song ran as

823
00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:31,370
I'm looking for the Ogo Pogo the funny

824
00:41:36,589 --> 00:41:34,020
little oga Pogo his mother was an earwig

825
00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:36,599
his father was a snail I'm going to put

826
00:41:41,390 --> 00:41:39,060
a little bit of salt on his tail

827
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:41,400
I want to find the yoga Pogo while he's

828
00:41:47,210 --> 00:41:44,880
playing on his old banjo the Lord mirror

829
00:41:49,849 --> 00:41:47,220
of London the Lord mirror of London the

830
00:41:53,690 --> 00:41:49,859
Lord mayor of London wants to put him on

831
00:42:02,750 --> 00:41:58,310
the parody by Vernon's hfbt chorus only

832
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:05,329
I'm looking for the oga Pogo the bunny

833
00:42:11,089 --> 00:42:08,640
hugging Ogopogo his mother was a mutton

834
00:42:13,370 --> 00:42:11,099
and his father was a whale I'm going to

835
00:42:16,310 --> 00:42:13,380
put a little bit of salt upon his tail

836
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,320
I'm looking for the oga Pogo As Told to

837
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:18,960
me by Harwood Joe for the lieutenant

838
00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:21,599
governor the lieutenant governor wants

839
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:29,390
the allusion to the word mutton was

840
00:42:33,890 --> 00:42:31,920
probably caused because OKO Pogo had

841
00:42:36,589 --> 00:42:33,900
often been described as having a head

842
00:42:41,630 --> 00:42:36,599
like a sheep about that time the late

843
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:41,640
J.L logi of Okanagan Center saw Ogopogo

844
00:42:46,849 --> 00:42:45,119
rushing at a tremendous speed Mr Logie

845
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:46,859
chased it for some distance along the

846
00:42:51,410 --> 00:42:48,960
road which at that place follows the

847
00:42:53,690 --> 00:42:51,420
Lakeshore the report of his Chase with

848
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:53,700
an automobile after making the rounds of

849
00:42:58,190 --> 00:42:56,160
BC newspapers eventually found its way

850
00:42:59,569 --> 00:42:58,200
into the columns of Britain's famous

851
00:43:02,990 --> 00:42:59,579
punch

852
00:43:05,210 --> 00:43:03,000
and by the way BC is short for British

853
00:43:08,329 --> 00:43:05,220
Columbia the province is next to Alberta

854
00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:08,339
in Canada and according to Wikipedia

855
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:10,859
punch which is what they're alluding to

856
00:43:17,809 --> 00:43:14,160
here was a British Weekly Magazine and

857
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,819
it was filled with humor and satire and

858
00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:20,160
its first issue was published in 1841

859
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,200
and it ran all the way until 2002.

860
00:43:27,890 --> 00:43:24,560
pretty amazing so this news about

861
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:27,900
Ogopogo made its way to a British Weekly

862
00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:29,760
Magazine

863
00:43:35,809 --> 00:43:32,520
from the Saturday evening Express from

864
00:43:38,569 --> 00:43:35,819
Launceston Tasmania dated the 30th of

865
00:43:40,190 --> 00:43:38,579
September 1933 and I noticed this

866
00:43:42,589 --> 00:43:40,200
particular story was carried in many

867
00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:42,599
newspapers at the same time

868
00:43:46,430 --> 00:43:45,420
Canadian monster sea serpent in large

869
00:43:50,510 --> 00:43:46,440
lake

870
00:43:52,910 --> 00:43:50,520
a persistent story of the Dog Days in

871
00:43:55,609 --> 00:43:52,920
Canada comes year after year from the

872
00:43:58,130 --> 00:43:55,619
interior of British Columbia and reports

873
00:44:01,010 --> 00:43:58,140
of the reappearance of a strange aquatic

874
00:44:04,210 --> 00:44:01,020
creature named by the newspapers for

875
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,220
what reason does not appear Ogopogo

876
00:44:09,470 --> 00:44:06,480
Okinawan lake is the scene of his

877
00:44:13,309 --> 00:44:09,480
reveals and perfectly respectable

878
00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:13,319
Witnesses profess to have seen him most

879
00:44:19,609 --> 00:44:16,020
of them describing Ogopogo is a monster

880
00:44:21,890 --> 00:44:19,619
with a sheep-like head and the body of a

881
00:44:23,930 --> 00:44:21,900
prodigious serpent although details

882
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:23,940
differ wildly

883
00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:26,640
Skeptics believe Ogopogo to be nothing

884
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:29,400
more substantial than an optical

885
00:44:35,569 --> 00:44:32,160
illusion and the newspapers make much

886
00:44:37,790 --> 00:44:35,579
support of his periodic appearance those

887
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:37,800
who believe the lake contains a curious

888
00:44:44,329 --> 00:44:41,119
monster of unknown species find some

889
00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:44,339
confirmation in their theory in the

890
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,640
Indian legends of the Interior the

891
00:44:51,410 --> 00:44:49,680
Indians then we pause here to

892
00:44:55,309 --> 00:44:51,420
acknowledge that this was written in

893
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:55,319
1933 and I would um have to say the term

894
00:45:01,550 --> 00:44:57,420
now the correct term would probably be

895
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:01,560
the first Nations peoples no the sea

896
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:04,400
serpent as

897
00:45:12,170 --> 00:45:09,119
auck and the oldest among them refers to

898
00:45:15,050 --> 00:45:12,180
having heard their grandfathers tell of

899
00:45:18,650 --> 00:45:15,060
his presence one venerable Indian Claims

900
00:45:22,010 --> 00:45:18,660
to have seen in his youth a bone 18

901
00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:22,020
inches long and 12 inches in diameter

902
00:45:28,730 --> 00:45:25,140
alleged to have come from Uggs back

903
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:28,740
Indian tradition tells of a magnificent

904
00:45:34,609 --> 00:45:31,440
deer pursued into the water suddenly

905
00:45:38,270 --> 00:45:34,619
dragged under while the water boiled as

906
00:45:40,970 --> 00:45:38,280
in a great cauldron of a white man and

907
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:40,980
an Indian surrounded in their canoe by a

908
00:45:46,849 --> 00:45:44,400
school of monsters at play of a fountain

909
00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:46,859
of water shot 40 feet above the Lake's

910
00:45:55,550 --> 00:45:51,720
surface where the Ogo Pogo is OG or Ark

911
00:45:58,329 --> 00:45:55,560
or a descendant of akh whether there is

912
00:46:01,730 --> 00:45:58,339
one of him or many and whether in fact

913
00:46:04,730 --> 00:46:01,740
Ogopogo has any existence save in

914
00:46:07,550 --> 00:46:04,740
imagination and Legend are questions for

915
00:46:10,010 --> 00:46:07,560
the future writer rather than the

916
00:46:13,730 --> 00:46:10,020
scientist what a strange report from the

917
00:46:15,410 --> 00:46:13,740
Saturday evening Express in 1933. now

918
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:15,420
this next article was written on May

919
00:46:21,470 --> 00:46:18,960
21st 1931 and it showed up in the

920
00:46:25,069 --> 00:46:21,480
Victoria Daily Times in Victoria British

921
00:46:27,770 --> 00:46:25,079
Columbia or BC and it does not say who

922
00:46:31,790 --> 00:46:27,780
this article was written by but the

923
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:31,800
headline is Ogopogo alive residents of

924
00:46:37,309 --> 00:46:34,560
Okanagan say

925
00:46:39,950 --> 00:46:37,319
and the byline is story of death of late

926
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:39,960
monster repudiated in Penticton dispatch

927
00:46:44,569 --> 00:46:42,480
has disappeared for time as it

928
00:46:47,210 --> 00:46:44,579
frequently does says former Vernon

929
00:46:49,730 --> 00:46:47,220
resident thinks it may have traveled

930
00:46:50,829 --> 00:46:49,740
through channel to Sea from bottomless

931
00:46:53,690 --> 00:46:50,839
Lake

932
00:46:55,609 --> 00:46:53,700
Ogopogo is not dead and the conclusion

933
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:55,619
drawn by the sports editor of the times

934
00:47:01,609 --> 00:46:58,319
as the result of his investigations in

935
00:47:04,190 --> 00:47:01,619
Okanagan Lake is a hastily drawn one in

936
00:47:06,170 --> 00:47:04,200
the opinion of Richard Cooper Native Son

937
00:47:08,089 --> 00:47:06,180
of the Okanagan Valley and now a

938
00:47:10,730 --> 00:47:08,099
resident of Victoria

939
00:47:12,410 --> 00:47:10,740
Mr Cooper was born in Vernon and his

940
00:47:15,530 --> 00:47:12,420
wife also lived there for many years

941
00:47:17,569 --> 00:47:15,540
neither has seen Ogopogo but both are

942
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:17,579
firmly convinced of the existence of

943
00:47:22,910 --> 00:47:20,040
some late monster in the 90 miles of

944
00:47:25,309 --> 00:47:22,920
Okanagan Lake there is not the slightest

945
00:47:27,950 --> 00:47:25,319
doubt there is something in the lake Mr

946
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,960
Cooper remarked it has only broken into

947
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:30,000
print in recent years in Victoria and

948
00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:32,880
Vancouver but I remember 20 years ago

949
00:47:37,609 --> 00:47:34,920
reading in the Vernon news of the

950
00:47:40,849 --> 00:47:37,619
monster of the lake recently christened

951
00:47:43,970 --> 00:47:40,859
the Ogopogo the Vernon news Mr Cooper

952
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:43,980
pointed out is now celebrating its 40th

953
00:47:49,849 --> 00:47:45,440
anniversary

954
00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:49,859
Ogopogo Mr Cooper continued has probably

955
00:47:54,890 --> 00:47:52,200
disappeared for a time when I was a

956
00:47:56,750 --> 00:47:54,900
little kid in Vernon I knew of the huge

957
00:48:00,170 --> 00:47:56,760
serpent that used to be seen in the lake

958
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,180
usually in the very hot weather 20 years

959
00:48:05,390 --> 00:48:02,640
ago its appearance created a sensation

960
00:48:08,569 --> 00:48:05,400
and I think you will find the Vernon

961
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:08,579
news as far back as that referred to it

962
00:48:14,210 --> 00:48:11,760
then it disappeared for a Time

963
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:14,220
I can remember 20 years ago when the

964
00:48:18,050 --> 00:48:16,079
Indians of the district could not be

965
00:48:20,210 --> 00:48:18,060
paid to Venture near one part of the

966
00:48:22,970 --> 00:48:20,220
Okanagan Lake where they believed

967
00:48:26,270 --> 00:48:22,980
okapogo had its home and I believe now

968
00:48:28,370 --> 00:48:26,280
no Indian will go near that place Their

969
00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:28,380
Fear of it is accentuated by the

970
00:48:32,750 --> 00:48:30,660
reported mysterious disappearance of an

971
00:48:35,890 --> 00:48:32,760
Indian fisherman who failed to return

972
00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:35,900
although weather conditions were perfect

973
00:48:41,390 --> 00:48:39,240
it has been seen by so many people that

974
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:41,400
it seems foolish to doubt its existence

975
00:48:47,150 --> 00:48:44,640
I remember one time a lineman saw it

976
00:48:50,210 --> 00:48:47,160
splashing its way down the lake as he

977
00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:50,220
was fixing a wire he tapped the wire to

978
00:48:54,109 --> 00:48:52,140
telephone to Kelowna and scores of

979
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,119
people from that City rushed to the lake

980
00:48:58,910 --> 00:48:56,880
in time to see it attempts were made to

981
00:49:01,010 --> 00:48:58,920
take pictures of it but unfortunately

982
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,020
the pictures that would have convinced

983
00:49:05,930 --> 00:49:03,599
all scoffers only showed ripples in the

984
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:05,940
water the water being rough at the time

985
00:49:10,430 --> 00:49:08,160
and the pictures were taken and the

986
00:49:13,790 --> 00:49:10,440
photographer having no telescopic lens

987
00:49:17,569 --> 00:49:13,800
to bring the object closer to the camera

988
00:49:19,069 --> 00:49:17,579
I do not believe the Ogopogo is dead no

989
00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:19,079
doubt there are some people around the

990
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,960
lake who think so and Mr saloway had

991
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:23,760
ample evidence on which to base the

992
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:24,960
conclusion

993
00:49:29,329 --> 00:49:27,599
my opinion is that okapogo has

994
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,339
disappeared for a time as it has

995
00:49:34,010 --> 00:49:31,920
frequently done for 20 years it has made

996
00:49:36,290 --> 00:49:34,020
spezmatic appearances

997
00:49:39,230 --> 00:49:36,300
it has often been missed for years at a

998
00:49:41,089 --> 00:49:39,240
time but has always returned it is only

999
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,099
in recent years that okapogo has

1000
00:49:45,650 --> 00:49:43,680
attained International Fame so its

1001
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:45,660
previous disappearances created no

1002
00:49:51,470 --> 00:49:48,720
comment outside of its own locality

1003
00:49:53,690 --> 00:49:51,480
I am convinced the Ogopogo will Bob up

1004
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:53,700
again possibly this year

1005
00:49:59,390 --> 00:49:57,119
but maybe not for two or three years

1006
00:50:02,089 --> 00:49:59,400
Okanagan people have often speculated

1007
00:50:04,550 --> 00:50:02,099
where it goes during long absences the

1008
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:04,560
lake is bottomless as far as records go

1009
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:07,680
I understand in part's depth

1010
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:10,079
seldom are the bodies of anyone drowned

1011
00:50:14,210 --> 00:50:11,520
in the lake found

1012
00:50:16,490 --> 00:50:14,220
it has been impossible to tell the

1013
00:50:19,069 --> 00:50:16,500
residents of the Okanagan often voice

1014
00:50:21,290 --> 00:50:19,079
the opinion there is a Subterranean

1015
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:21,300
passage from the lake to the Sea and

1016
00:50:26,030 --> 00:50:23,280
that Ogle Pogo passes through this

1017
00:50:29,390 --> 00:50:26,040
passage when it disappears always to

1018
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,400
return again hands off says Okanagan

1019
00:50:33,710 --> 00:50:31,680
Penticton has led the protests from the

1020
00:50:37,010 --> 00:50:33,720
Okanagan about the reported death of the

1021
00:50:39,950 --> 00:50:37,020
yoga Pogo Under The Heading quote hands

1022
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:39,960
off Ogopogo says Okanagan to Victoria's

1023
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:41,520
story end quote

1024
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:43,920
the Vancouver daily Province yesterday

1025
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:46,800
carried the following dispatch quote

1026
00:50:52,130 --> 00:50:49,920
hands off our okapogo is the reply of

1027
00:50:54,589 --> 00:50:52,140
the Okanagan to an attempt made by a

1028
00:50:56,450 --> 00:50:54,599
Victorian newspaper to obliterate the

1029
00:50:59,870 --> 00:50:56,460
famed lake monster which has brought

1030
00:51:01,970 --> 00:50:59,880
worldwide advertising to this Valley an

1031
00:51:05,569 --> 00:51:01,980
article in the Victoria times asserts

1032
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:05,579
OKO Pogo must be dead because he she or

1033
00:51:10,970 --> 00:51:08,400
it has not been seen for two years

1034
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:10,980
but no mere Victorian is expected to

1035
00:51:16,490 --> 00:51:13,520
Vision The Splendid freak of nature

1036
00:51:18,829 --> 00:51:16,500
Ogopogo it is declared reserves his

1037
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:18,839
appearances for True died in the wool

1038
00:51:24,049 --> 00:51:21,359
residence of the sunny Valley or for

1039
00:51:26,569 --> 00:51:24,059
very distinguished visitors as far as

1040
00:51:29,150 --> 00:51:26,579
the Okanagan is concerned Ogopogo still

1041
00:51:32,089 --> 00:51:29,160
haunts the Blue Waters of the lake at a

1042
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:32,099
chaste but firm poo poo is the reaction

1043
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,319
to the Victorious story

1044
00:51:39,470 --> 00:51:37,200
we have not forgotten the brutal attempt

1045
00:51:41,870 --> 00:51:39,480
made by the Vancouver star to kill our

1046
00:51:44,690 --> 00:51:41,880
Ogo a few years ago say the valley

1047
00:51:46,970 --> 00:51:44,700
people the star had Ogo threshing to

1048
00:51:49,790 --> 00:51:46,980
death under the lake ice when there was

1049
00:51:52,609 --> 00:51:49,800
no ice on the lake but we kept the

1050
00:51:55,549 --> 00:51:52,619
record straight end quote

1051
00:51:59,230 --> 00:51:55,559
and now we land in the year 1949 on the

1052
00:52:03,470 --> 00:51:59,240
8th of September from the Cairns post

1053
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:03,480
cavorting sea serpent puzzles City

1054
00:52:11,089 --> 00:52:06,559
kilona British Columbia Associated Press

1055
00:52:15,650 --> 00:52:11,099
you cannot keep a good Ogo Pogo down

1056
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:15,660
and what you ask is an Ogopogo good

1057
00:52:21,290 --> 00:52:18,720
question at this Okinawan Lakeside City

1058
00:52:24,589 --> 00:52:21,300
they are beginning to wonder

1059
00:52:28,370 --> 00:52:24,599
he used to be known only as a cavorting

1060
00:52:31,849 --> 00:52:28,380
sea serpent but the other morning they

1061
00:52:33,049 --> 00:52:31,859
say the Yogo Pogo went for a stroll on

1062
00:52:39,049 --> 00:52:33,059
the beach

1063
00:52:41,630 --> 00:52:39,059
descriptions have labeled the Ogo Pogo

1064
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:41,640
as having sometimes a sheep like head

1065
00:52:49,250 --> 00:52:45,119
sometimes a serpent-like body and once

1066
00:52:51,970 --> 00:52:49,260
black coils and all those who claim to

1067
00:52:54,349 --> 00:52:51,980
have seen him agree on one point

1068
00:52:58,430 --> 00:52:54,359
he undulates

1069
00:53:01,069 --> 00:52:58,440
but the footprints have everyone baffled

1070
00:53:02,030 --> 00:53:01,079
coming out of the water is a trail of

1071
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:02,040
Prince

1072
00:53:12,349 --> 00:53:09,119
marks about a mile south of here the

1073
00:53:14,990 --> 00:53:12,359
trail extended along the short section

1074
00:53:16,190 --> 00:53:15,000
of the beach and then re-entered the

1075
00:53:19,849 --> 00:53:16,200
water

1076
00:53:22,490 --> 00:53:19,859
word got around and a core of newspaper

1077
00:53:25,130 --> 00:53:22,500
men from Vancouver made haste to the

1078
00:53:27,530 --> 00:53:25,140
scene made notes and wrote stories for

1079
00:53:31,069 --> 00:53:27,540
their journals the reports tallied eight

1080
00:53:33,309 --> 00:53:31,079
toe marks a United States journalist W.C

1081
00:53:35,950 --> 00:53:33,319
URI of

1082
00:53:39,770 --> 00:53:35,960
Amal I think that is Washington State

1083
00:53:43,250 --> 00:53:39,780
claims he heard quote a terrific Splash

1084
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:43,260
during the night end quote

1085
00:53:49,010 --> 00:53:46,319
Indian legend although it has only been

1086
00:53:51,770 --> 00:53:49,020
in the last few years that white people

1087
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:51,780
claim to have seen him the Yogo Pogo is

1088
00:53:55,069 --> 00:53:54,240
part of Indian legend the red man named

1089
00:53:57,230 --> 00:53:55,079
him

1090
00:53:58,190 --> 00:53:57,240
uck and of course we pause once again to

1091
00:54:02,030 --> 00:53:58,200
remember

1092
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:02,040
the uh item was written in 1949 hence

1093
00:54:06,829 --> 00:54:03,839
the terms we no longer use

1094
00:54:09,170 --> 00:54:06,839
ago a bone one and a half feet long and

1095
00:54:12,109 --> 00:54:09,180
about a foot through alleged to have

1096
00:54:15,770 --> 00:54:12,119
come from the back of one of Ogo pogo's

1097
00:54:18,290 --> 00:54:15,780
ancestors was found at nearby Rocky

1098
00:54:20,930 --> 00:54:18,300
Point another time the Indians were

1099
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:20,940
hunting deer by chasing them into the

1100
00:54:27,230 --> 00:54:24,240
water where scores waited in canoes for

1101
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:27,240
the kill an exceptionally large deer was

1102
00:54:34,190 --> 00:54:30,480
being pursued by the scores when it sank

1103
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quote as if drawn under while the water

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boiled as in a great cauldron end quote

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it is said that at the end of Lake

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Okinawan a fountain of water 30 to 40

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feet high has been seen to rise as from

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a hidden hose pipe Ogopogo is not

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British Columbia's only Maritime

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monstrosity there is caddy

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canborosaurus the long slimy roving sea

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monster which keeps popping out of the

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coastal Waters and until her demise in

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1941 there was Sarah the Sea Hag a

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distinctly graceless relative of caddy

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well there we are some of the reports

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from Australian newspapers and reports

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from Canada about the Ogo Pogo the

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monster of British Columbia

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monsters and other fascinating things

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when you go to Trove at

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trove.nla.gov.eu or it's Adrian Hilton

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two local resources in Canada because

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when you go to the digital archives no

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matter where you are in the world you

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[Music]

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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Zone podcast and a shout out to my

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friend Rob Palmer who recently well over

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the last months has been giving many

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talks about The Great Australian psychic

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00:56:36,589 --> 00:56:33,480
prediction project

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00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:36,599
fascinating to see those talks and very

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interesting to see some of the question

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some of the questions Rob has been

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Fielding after the talks from people

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00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:45,960
curious about how we went about doing

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00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:51,119
the project and as good Skeptics will do

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00:56:56,930 --> 00:56:54,000
probing prodding seeing

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what the story really was asking

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00:57:04,670 --> 00:57:00,780
difficult questions all very valuable

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00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:04,680
and speaking of my skeptical friends if

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you happen to be in the Berkeley area

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00:57:16,730 --> 00:57:11,940
on Saturday

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00:57:19,849 --> 00:57:16,740
in the United States Saturday the 20th

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of May because of time zones it's all a

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00:57:24,349 --> 00:57:20,940
bit strange

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00:57:26,030 --> 00:57:24,359
which is barely hours after this is

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00:57:28,490 --> 00:57:26,040
being released this episode's being

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00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:28,500
released why not come to the Berkeley

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00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:30,720
Public Library community meeting room

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00:57:37,010 --> 00:57:33,660
where you can hang out with Susan

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00:57:39,530 --> 00:57:37,020
gerbick Eugenie Scott and myself

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00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:39,540
the reason is of course Susan gobek is

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00:57:44,930 --> 00:57:42,720
traveling up from Salinas to Berkeley to

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give a talk in the library

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00:57:51,410 --> 00:57:48,540
now this is a workshop and on the

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00:57:53,569 --> 00:57:51,420
website it says are you having difficult

1159
00:57:56,089 --> 00:57:53,579
discussions with people on the edge of

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00:57:58,609 --> 00:57:56,099
falling into magical thinking and rabbit

1161
00:58:00,490 --> 00:57:58,619
holes this Workshop will provide you

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00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:00,500
some skills to help with this problem

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00:58:06,589 --> 00:58:04,079
that so many of us have experienced we

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will discuss the concepts of debunking

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00:58:12,890 --> 00:58:09,920
versus pre-bunking also called

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00:58:15,170 --> 00:58:12,900
inoculation Theory we will start with a

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00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:15,180
case study and use that to further the

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00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,760
discussion on how to have difficult

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00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:19,200
discussions

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00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:24,000
this is a workshop not a lecture join us

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00:58:27,950 --> 00:58:25,680
I will link to that page in the show

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00:58:31,130 --> 00:58:27,960
notes so yes if you're in the Berkeley

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00:58:33,530 --> 00:58:31,140
area or you can make it to Berkeley by

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00:58:36,109 --> 00:58:33,540
about 1pm

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00:58:38,990 --> 00:58:36,119
or even a little bit before come and

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00:58:42,829 --> 00:58:39,000
hang out with some Skeptics

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00:58:44,690 --> 00:58:42,839
well it's mid-may so shout out to my

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00:58:48,130 --> 00:58:44,700
teachers back home in Australia who are

1179
00:58:50,690 --> 00:58:48,140
going through the mid-may Groundhog Day

1180
00:58:53,450 --> 00:58:50,700
midterm Blues

1181
00:58:55,370 --> 00:58:53,460
but as we all know later in life some of

1182
00:58:57,770 --> 00:58:55,380
your biggest influences as you look back

1183
00:59:01,069 --> 00:58:57,780
are some of the good teachers you had

1184
00:59:04,130 --> 00:59:01,079
and how they inspired you and made you

1185
00:59:06,049 --> 00:59:04,140
curious about about the world thank you

1186
00:59:08,809 --> 00:59:06,059
to those people who continue to support

1187
00:59:11,690 --> 00:59:08,819
the skeptic Zone at skepticzone.tv Via

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00:59:14,329 --> 00:59:11,700
patreon or PayPal thank you to the new

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00:59:17,870 --> 00:59:14,339
supporters who have come on recently and

1190
00:59:22,010 --> 00:59:17,880
to those people who have altered their

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00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:22,020
level I noticed that's happened just

1192
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:24,720
lately I'm just pleased that you're

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00:59:30,349 --> 00:59:28,079
still in there supporting the show so no

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00:59:32,450 --> 00:59:30,359
matter how much you can contribute a

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00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:32,460
week or a month three dollars five

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00:59:37,849 --> 00:59:35,040
dollars ten dollars twenty dollars it

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00:59:40,190 --> 00:59:37,859
all helps and I sincerely appreciate

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00:59:42,289 --> 00:59:40,200
every cent

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coming up on next week's show the Trove

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00:59:47,089 --> 00:59:44,579
segment looks at more lake monsters what

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00:59:49,069 --> 00:59:47,099
a fascinating topic that is and I

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00:59:51,069 --> 00:59:49,079
interview the authors of a new book A

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00:59:53,390 --> 00:59:51,079
book about to be released called

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00:59:56,089 --> 00:59:53,400
Nobody's Fool

1205
00:59:59,690 --> 00:59:56,099
all about how people are Hoodwinked

1206
01:00:02,089 --> 00:59:59,700
conned cheated and fooled

1207
01:00:04,190 --> 01:00:02,099
with that thought for this week this is

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01:00:12,109 --> 01:00:04,200
Richard Saunders signing off

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01:00:15,289 --> 01:00:14,089
you've been listening to the skeptic

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01:00:18,670 --> 01:00:15,299
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01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:18,680
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01:00:24,109 --> 01:00:20,960
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01:00:27,710 --> 01:00:24,119
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